Gee whiz! Someone needs to keep uttering outrageous
statements. Be.., you and I are pretty good at it. This is the
most communication in our family that I can remember. Some of
us are crazy, of course. I won't try to settle who. But this
vigorous fellowship is wonderful!
Anyhow, in the interests of intelligent conversation, I
would suggest doing one's homework, maybe asking a few questions
-- before giving out sweeping moral judgements. Does
anyone know what the Minutemen really do? If not, take a chance
and find a relative who has been there and ask him.
And, if you are responding to what someone has said on
the subject, respond to what was actually said. I would not
recognize any of the responses as being to what I said. Are we
on different planets?
WHAT IS RELEVANT???
Is it not relevant that about 20% of illegals are known
felons? Is it not relevant that drug traders routinely use the
open borders to smuggle literally tons of stuff in yearly? And
that terrorists are known to use this pathway. Do we think they
are stupid? Do we need another 9/11 to prove the point?
It is not relevant that 29% of federal prisoners are
illegal aliens, not for being illegal aliens, but for violent
crimes -- way over representing their percentage of the
Is it not relevant that hospitals are going into
bankruptcy because they are forced to take patients who cannot
pay, many of them illegal aliens? Who benefits from this?
Do you want your taxes raised to bail out the hospitals and
provide for education for the illegals? California reportedly
has to build one new school every day to keep up with the
influx of children.
Is it not relevant that illegal aliens kill 13 people
every day on our highways, far more Americans that are killed in
Iraq, where we are at war? Br... and his family, and Be...'s
family were recently
put at risk by a Latino
who was probably drunk or on drugs,
who swerved right in front of Br...'s car, across the road, did
a U-turn, crossed the road again and the smashed into the
mountain side. Be... and I were driving just a few cars behind
Br... and the rest. Illegal alien? No way of knowing, but the
chances are not poor.
And, according to
Representative Steve King
, illegals murder
per day on top of the 13 killed through drunk driving. That is
25 Americans, thanks to our open borders, dying each day, over,
9,000 per year. Vastly more than either in 9/11 or Iraq put
together. That is not relevant? Yes, these facts need to be
checked, and then, if true, drummed into the American
consciousness until we either give up or wake up.
None of those are reasons for shutting down
immigration. But they are unassailable reasons for controlling
immigration and turning away those who should not be here. And
keeping the numbers down to such that we can absorb them.
(Well, yes, we first have to re-develop a rational and graceful
and truthful culture into which any honest person would want to
be absorbed.) If these are indeed facts, there is no possible
good reason for permitting illegal immigration.
WHAT DO MINUTEMEN DO?
What do Minutemen actually do? We watch. Then we
report to the Border Patrol where we see illegals coming over
the border. That's it. We have no contact with the illegals
unless we find them thirsty, starving, sick from heat
prostration, or injured, and then we help them. We have search
and rescue teams which trek the desert looking for needy
illegals. We are not armed to go "hunting them". That is
nonsense. There are no people doing that on the border
. Dou..., from where are you getting your
information? There are several groups which use the name
'Minuteman', some of them more proactively chasing after
illegals than we. But none of them is violent.
There are, rarely, people shooting on the border, and
getting shot at. Shot at (rarely) on our side but not
by our side. We have been at work on the border for about
two years, without a single injury or accident (OK, one scorpion
bite...). Five coyotes (illegal guides) were executed last
summer (2007) just yards over the border from where we often
watch, because they were "trespassing" on drug runner
"property". It does get nasty, but not from our side.
One hostile American watchdog group many months ago came
down to watchdog us, but finally went home because... "You
aren't doing anything...". We welcome visitors.
The Border Patrol has lots of Latinos, no doubt born
here or came legally, paying their dues, considering themselves
Americans, and, as far as I can tell, are very glad to
have us there to fill in their ranks where they cannot cover the
territory -- due to the duplicity of Congress and Bush.
Please understand that the issues at stake, at least
from any group I belong to or know of, have nothing to do with
rejecting any person, or any group of people, or rejecting
immigration itself. Nothing at all. As in Zero.
The issues have partly to do with maintaining control of
one's own life, personally and corporately. If
of trash all over the land were your back yard,
every one of you would feel different. Real people live on the
border. If rivers should be kept clean, so should the lands on
which real people live. Pollution does not become OK because it
is done by illegal immigrants. Would any one of you tolerate
such treatment of your back yard property, or open the front
door of your own home to illegal immigrants in the manner you
are asking America to open its borders? And pay no attention to
the same percentage of crime?
The issues have partly to do with how you really help
people. If you give them a handout fish, you feed them for a
day. If you teach them how to fish, you feed them for a
The biggest help we could give to the Mexicans would be
to pressure their government to honest reform so that the
enormous natural riches of Mexico could be developed under an
honest economic system, rather than run by the rich cartel --
who regularly plunder the poor. That is true of every
centralized government in history -- sooner or later. America
has been uniquely different -- so long as we kept our Biblical
But we are trashing our Biblical foundations, and in
return getting that centralization of government which is far
along with its plans to make us all slaves on its plantation.
Both logic and history show that the only foundation for a free
people who are at the same time responsible people is the
Biblical foundation. The founding fathers reiterated that theme
over and over.
The issues have to do with loving our neighbors, the
second highest law in the universe. But that also means
asking our neighbor also whether he is loving his neighbor.
Is an illegal immigrant loving Americans by breaking our
laws and creating the above chaos? Is that not relevant?
This whole mess is not about immigration or
helping the poor. It is about taking down American borders
without asking the American people. That is deliberate, and
it is high treason. Bush and the so-called globalist crowd
are determined to do it -- through their fascist-type of
collusion between our politicians and the big corporations
who stand to make billions by taking control of our
political and economic life (thank you, Mussolini). They
are power-hungry and utterly ruthless. And they are good at
what they do -- deceive and control. We have our own cartel
who want to plunder the rest of us -- those who control the
national banking systems and most of the international
corporations, and have bought out our government. To be
fair to Bush, both parties are in the same boat -- under the
control of the same Globalist shadow government. Both
parties want immigrants who will become their voters. They
do not care about the poor, the poor are pawns in their
global game. And so are both parties.
OUR BIBLICAL FOUNDATIONS
would do well to welcome the illegals,
teach them how to have an American style revolution,
and send them back to Mexico, equipped to challenge
the status quo.
The American revolution was based on
Biblical principles. It led to the
first-in-history, peaceful, major shift of power
between opposing parties by popular vote (1800
elections). That is an astonishing accomplishment
-- and a powerful testimony to the inherent
obsession with power struggle in the secular/pagan
world. The founding fathers were quite vocal about
their vision of America being the beginning of a new
kind of government because of a new kind of people,
which would one day bless the whole world. We are
long and far down the road to totally losing that
capacity because, since about the 1840's, we have
been trashing our Biblical foundations. If you want
to read up on Biblical government, go to
You want to help the poor? We have two
choices: either Jesus is Lord, or civil government
will be lord. Teach them about Jesus, who has
already been appointed World Governor. So, sorry,
the Globalists are too late. As our Declaration of
Independence says, our
given by God, not by civil govt., and are therefore
inalienable by any human power or authority. That
was the same Declaration being waved by the students
in Beijing Square when they were cut down by... the
civil government. America really is an inspiration
to the freedom loving of the world, the beacon on
the hill. Amazingly, even still. Maybe even in
The real enemies of America are not the illegal
immigrants, they are the criminally inspired politicians in
Washington, they are the fractured, oblivious, and apathetic
churches, they are the consumerist population who want nothing
but their comforts. Twice in the last week or so, I have
sat next to conversations about how our young people are lazy,
ignorant, and oblivious to their obligations in life.
As the French visitor Alexis
d'Toqueville said about 1835 or so, America is great because she
is good, when she ceases to be good she will cease to be
great. d'Toqueville understood, to his surprise, that it was
our Christian religion, the law and grace of God, which made us
good and therefore great.
(See Rodney Stark's The Victory of Reason: How
Christianity Led to Freedom, Capitalism, and Western Success,
a sociologist's take on how and why Christianity succeeded
beyond all other religions to form Western Civilization and
change the shape of the world.)
The West, with America about 50-75 years behind
Europe, is about at that point of collapse, with the inevitable
retreat back into the centralization and totalitarianism of
paganism and secularism. Historically, it goes all the way back
to Babylon -- 2000 BC, and, no doubt, earlier. And if you think
there will be no walls and borders then with our new elitist
centralization, it will be so only because we have become so
apathetic and spineless that we can no long stand up and defend
our freedom. We will be so convinced
that our enslavement is good
that we will not resist. We
prefer our "safety" to our freedom
. So then, who needs
borders? Who needs walls? Let the sheep run where they will.
Unless Judeo-Christians wake up.
See on this matter
Sanctuary Policy Killing
Americans... If this is not betrayal and treason, what
needs to be added to make it so? Also see,
14 Reasons.... &
The Price of Illegal Immigrants.
Last summer, Jose Carranza was arrested and charged on
multiple felonies, including repeated rape of a 5 year old
girl. There were 30 other counts of violence. Yet... the
Newark, NJ judge allowed him to be released on bail. So he
returned to his lifestyle, and in early August with his gang,
attacked and executed three young people on their way to
college. A fourth victim survived to tell the story.
Newark is a "sanctuary city", where illegals are treated
with "respect", which gives them virtually free rein to do what
This is insanity. Is that judge still working? Is he
being impeached and tossed in jail??? Where are the fathers who
will defend their children? The mothers are doing the better
job, but they will not win the battle -- even when they get on
the right side of the issues. Where are the warriors?
Events like this do not happen by accident.
There are about 100 "sanctuary" cities in America, which set
criminals free to roam the streets -- out of "compassion". This
is a well-coordinated and deliberate attack on America by
persons who have been bought out by those who wish to create
chaos in order to bring down America and make it vulnerable for
a total takeover. The more crisis, the more government
intervention (meaning control of the citizens) is "needed". It
is an attack on our freedom, on our safety, on our persons. And
the only people who can benefit from such horror are the
control-minded Globalist crowd.
These are the people behind the open borders
"compassion". The average American is very much against open
borders, but average people do not any longer have a real voice
in the running of America -- mostly their own fault. See
section on "conspiracy"
in the Politics Library.
But they fear nothing so much as a Judeo-Christian
spiritual renewal. So, get on your knees for your marching